In the late Sixties my band The Winding Roads and I were hitchhiking on the Sunset Strip and a guy in a yellow convertible and a yellow Indian nehru shirt picked us up. He said: "Hi, I'm ML I came to Hollywood to become a movie star" We looked at each other rolling our eyes and thinking "Yeah, sure buddy". We started hanging out and he came to our band practice and asked to sing with us. He commenced to wail "Jail House Rock" without a microphone and we could hear him loud over our amplified band. Needless to say we were all in shock and begged him to join the band. Meatloaf (ML) became like my big brother guiding me in positive direction and is one of the nicest dudes I ever met. I hear he is still like that and never changed.